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Mr . BARNARD . I think from now on , rather than getting four an swers , I am going to ask one question . If any of you disagree w that , then you will indicate that , and then we will be able to move on .

It has been brought out , I think , very significantly this morning , both by those who are representing the ATV associations and others that there is some element of skill . I mean , there is a degree of skill that you need to have to ride an ATV safely . Does anyone disagree with that ?

Mr . HAGIE . I would not disagree with it , but I would point out that it , like so many other skills , is a learned skill . Yes ; it does re quire some skill , and those skills can be learned .

Mr . BARNARD . And this skill comes about because of the peculiar ities of an ATV as opposed to a four - wheel vehicle . In other words , the question I want to ask of you , and this gets into even adults , is there an neering defect in the manufacture of the three - wheel ATV ?

Mr . HAGIE . We do not believe so .

Mr . BARNARD . Did you have an opportunity to see the study that the gentleman made who is an engineering professor ?

Mr . HAGIE . I was able to see some of it ; yes . Mr . BARNARD . Did you disagree with that conclusion he came to ? Mr . HAGIE . I ' m not an engineer , and I will begin with that . So I am really not conversant with all of the factors involved . I do have some disagreement with my understanding of what he has suggest ed although the principle that he suggested , that the rider must interact with the vehicle for it to be successfully ridden , we would agree with .

Mr . BARNARD . Did any of you see the documentary that was done by channel 9 on ATV ' s ?

Mr . GLYNN . Was this the Kingsley report ? Mr . BARNARD . I beg you pardon .

N . Was this the report on channel 9 here in Washing ton by Ms . Kingsley ? Mr . BARNARD . Yes ; did you see that ? Mr . GLYNN . Yes ; I did .

Mr . BARNARD . In one of the descriptions it had an ATV parked on a hill leaning to the right , at this angle . And the man barely touched the handlebar , like this , and it immediately fell over , no pressure hardly whatsoever . What does that mean to you ? I mean , how do you counteract that argument as to the engineering of it ?

Mr . GLYNN . Maybe I should address that . That was a Honda , and quite frankly , very little from that point of view . Because that was a static test and you can ' t consider just the vehicle . There are three elements involved in the system of riding one ; that is , the ve hicle itself , of course , the rider , and the surface .

When you ride that vehicle across terrain or traversing the slope in that style , it doesn ' t sit there by itself . The rider shifts his weight to the left and counteracts that , or counterbalances that tip over . So it simply just can ' t be considered staticly in that manner .

Mr . BARNARD . But you would agree , though , that if a rider did nothing to adjust his body or his leaning it would tip over in that area .