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Mr . GLYNN . That would be true , but I think you will find that very difficult to do no matter what you do . If you are in a car , it is very difficult not to lean in the direction toward the slope . I mean , it is a human - it is very difficult to sit like that even .

Mr . BARNARD . But haven ' t you got to do just the opposite with an ATV ? You have to lean in the other direction ?

Mr . GLYNN . You know , that has been said , but that is really not true . Many times in the testimonies people say you lean to the out side of the corner and it is a very unnatural turn , and that is not how you ride an ATV . Those that haven ' t ridden one may have that point of view , but if you do ride one , it isn ' t like that .

Mr . BARNARD . Well , I am going to let my expert get into that over here .

Mr . GLYNN . Possibly I ' m not either , but you don ' t lean to the outside . I just need to correct the record . You don ' t lean to the out side .

Mr . BARNARD . Let ' s talk about modifications . As you may have heard , the Commission staff indicated that the design modifications are taking place . For example , the sale of newer models with front end suspensions . Is this accurate ?

Mr . GLYNN . There have been changes over the years in the appli cation of the ATV , but the implication of that is that there is no springs before and there are now springs . There have always been springs , and the spring system is very much the same . I mean , as far as effect .

Mr . BARNARD . I thought you were relying on the tires for suspen sion .

Mr . GLYNN . Yes , sir ; that is true . That is a very effective - -

Mr . BARNARD . So you are not changing that at all in your modifi cations ?

Mr . GLYNN . Well , the tires have changed over that time , which has necessitated some change in the spring , supplementary spring or suspension . But sus

But suspension has always been there . In fact , that is one of the basic principles in an ATC design , the tire itself .

Mr . BARNARD . Well , why wouldn ' t that counteract the engineer ing , the alleged engineering defect which the gentleman brought out this morning , I mean if there was adequate suspension ?

Mr . GLYNN . I didn ' t understand his description to talk about sus pension . I think he was talking about where the body weight is , or - I probably had not better comment exactly on his engineering because I am not an engineer . But one thing I would disagree with , one of the points I would disagree with very quickly as a rider . He said that when you reach that point of tipover , it happens instantly or very , very quickly .

I remember in the testimony from Roy Deppa , when he was dis cussing it with the Commissioners he mentioned - and this is my impression , also — that the reaction or the change happens over a wide , broad span of time . It isn ' t something that goes like a light and it is over or not over . The tires being soft and broad cause the reaction time to spread over quite a broad span of angles , so the rider has time to shift his weight . His weight is very important to that angular consideration .

Mr . BARNARD . A Commission staff report on a meeting with man ufacturers states :